Tue May 19 14:23:34 2020
<9e126bf3> communal ownership of anything is achievable with transferrable shares of a commodity aggregate. I’m rather inspired by condo communities- when they are done right, it’s sort of the best of both worlds, commie sharing of community resources but each owner owns shares in the form of sqft of the entire property that defines a private area that they only have access to. Of course, they can be done wrong and HOAs are well known for their tyranny. Which is why I took mine over and rule with a benevolent, yet still iron fist :communist: :fist:
<9e126bf3> I like the idea that people can get fractional shares of things to gain access to the full setup and related services. Like renters being able to build equity from the units they rent, or cars/scooters they rent, buses they ride, etc. Broad access to markets can deconstruct the communist mindset
<9e126bf3> while still delivering the same community feelings of unity or whatever they are seeking with that
<8f79fcda> <@U03694HFD> is a member of the bourgeoisie
<9e126bf3> shhhhh!! don’t let out my secrets!
<8f79fcda> but even then, there’s still ownership, and there are have and have-nots
<9e126bf3> :white_frowning_face:
<9e126bf3> let them have cake!
<8f79fcda> > transferrable shares of a commodity aggregate
<8f79fcda> you mean like … idk… money?
<9e126bf3> well, proper money. Sound money
<9e126bf3> that funny money floating around aint it
<8f79fcda> even so, pricing power relies on ownership (control of the underlying asset) and a relative mandate of “use this as your standard method of transferrability and accounting
<8f79fcda> i kinda liked the company script idea used in coal mining towns back in the day… when i was a 7th grader…
<9e126bf3> lime, for instance, could sell shares of their scooter aggregate to get access to capital to grow completely outside of wallstreet, where a dividend payment is derived from the rents people pay to use the scooters. But the NAV is also effected by the downward pressure of maintenance costs and having to replace scooters. But that could achieve a real community ownership on the whole and even incentivize keeping better care of them and parking them correctly
<9e126bf3> lol company scrip back in the day was evil because the miners were captive. If they werent and the scrip was liquid, it would be a different situation
<9e126bf3> in fact we have some forms of that today, like airplane miles and shit. But it’s usually non-transferrable, so it is WORSE than scrip
<9e126bf3> hell… you wanna go down the rabbit hole… USD is basically company scrip
<9e126bf3> private company printing clown bucks? what else is that…
<8f79fcda> but if the commune is responsible for the maintenance… what would prevent a person from saying “i’ll make/buy my own bike, and maintain my own bike, because these other fuckwads don’t actually care about the bikes and don’t do good maintenance like _I do for the rest of them_”
<8f79fcda> ergo specialization
<8f79fcda> ergo inequality
<8f79fcda> ergo firing squads
<9e126bf3> nah don’t make the riders responsible to fix anything, they wont, at least not with any reliability. There should still be a company of professionals and managers to direct them to maintain the bikes, otherwise the whole thing will fall apart classically. Also it is all opt-in. If you want to use your own scooter, have at it.
<8f79fcda> by your rationale – all companies could be defined as communes
<8f79fcda> (which they are)
<8f79fcda> but no company can produce all things
<8f79fcda> boeing doesn’t make potatos
<9e126bf3> it’s like my HOA… we could save thousands a year if we ditch the management company… but we don’t because it is a huge pain in the ass to do the work that they do. Plus they are professionals and have an extensive network to get shit done quickly.
<8f79fcda> and they wouldn’t be a reliable source for the actual cost of production for potatos
<9e126bf3> yeah
<9e126bf3> well one company shouldn’t do everything. It would be spread too thin, unless it was absolutely massive like some multinationals that actually do everything lol
<8f79fcda> proletariat revolution… to take down the bourgeoisie only to replace it with a bunch of karens as the new bourgeoisie
<9e126bf3> :joy::joy:
<9e126bf3> it always happens
<8f79fcda> like clockwork
<8f79fcda> communism is entertaining… at a distance
<8f79fcda> to watch unhappy degenerates unseat the ruling class, only to replace it with an even stupider more degenerate ruling class
<9e126bf3> never ending clown show
<8f79fcda> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ>
— (10hours) Lamb chop song that never ends
<8f79fcda> 10 hours…
<8f79fcda> make_me_suffer.jpeg
<8f79fcda> prophetic
<9e126bf3> There is something weirdly intoxicating about brutalist utilitarian architecture out of socialist paradises though. Like those MASSIVE commie block apartments in Moscow that you pass heading downtown from Sheremetyevo… def wouldn’t want to live there but just the sheer volume of the buildings is a site to behold. They absolutely dwarf the largest low income projects in NYC or anywhere else in the US
<8f79fcda> “some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue singing it forever just because this is the song that doesn’t end”
<9e126bf3> lol
<9e126bf3> that’s a metaphor for clown world
<8f79fcda> it completely encapsulates and describes clownworld
<9e126bf3> “we don’t know why we are doing it, but we better do it or else!!”